I was going to give the useual "You would be much better off posting your question to dbi-users@perl.org (you don't need to subscribe in order to post) and you won't be automatically subscribed either. Very few people actully use or view this form for dbi or driver support. dbi-users is where you'll get the best support " but it seems there are actullay some others on this board besides myself. Cruror fetch has been slow for a while the new patch from Cbiswa works but is not in the latest version of DBD::Oracle hopefully It will get in there for Version 1.20 havn't had a chance to look at the issues behind this yet though. Cheers